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Oct 04 17:55:58 <MinceR>	this book mentions the putin model, though it focuses on the orban regime
Oct 04 17:58:27 <schestowitz>	Rump... https://i.chzbgr.com/full/8567675648/hCF036023/
Oct 04 17:58:38 <schestowitz>	did he really make all these faces and if so when? (context)
Oct 04 18:00:59 <schestowitz>	https://twitter.com/TedBehr/status/650792315712221184
Oct 04 18:00:59 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	@TedBehr: @schestowitz Interesting.
Oct 04 18:03:08 <cubexyz>	what I find interesting is how people understand less and less about their computers
Oct 04 18:03:32 <cubexyz>	when I talk to older Unix folks, they know a lot about fixing their old PDP-11s
Oct 04 18:03:33 <schestowitz>	cubexyz: re http://www.maxhost.org/other/ancedote-windows-bsod.txt
Oct 04 18:03:37 <schestowitz>	should be anecdote
Oct 04 18:04:30 <cubexyz>	right :)
Oct 04 18:05:13 <cubexyz>	those are just quick text files I whip up
Oct 04 18:05:31 <cubexyz>	anything I find interesting enough to keep
Oct 04 18:06:16 <cubexyz>	ok... as I was saying... old Unix peeps know more about their old PDP-11s than we know about our modern PCs
Oct 04 18:06:51 <cubexyz>	part of that is that PDP-11s are a lot simpler and easier to understand
Oct 04 18:07:01 <cubexyz>	but the general trend is notable
Oct 04 18:07:33 <cubexyz>	PDP-11s had no BIOS as we understand the term
Oct 04 18:07:35 <schestowitz>	"MinceR	https://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png"
Oct 04 18:07:36 <MinceR>	pdp-11s are also probably a lot less secret
Oct 04 18:07:38 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	 ( status 403 @ https://web.archive.org/web/20141129114502/http://boycottsystemd.org/lennart1.png )
Oct 04 18:07:38 <schestowitz>	"MinceR	http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg"
Oct 04 18:07:39 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	 ( status 404 @ http://img.linuxfr.org/img/68747470733a2f2f6861636b2d6c696272652e6f72672f66696c65732f6c697672655f7072c3a966c3a972c3a95f6c656e6e6172742d35303070782e6a7067/livre_pr%C3%A9f%C3%A9r%C3%A9_lennart-500px.jpg )
Oct 04 18:07:42 <schestowitz>	Both links broken for me
Oct 04 18:08:06 <MinceR>	yeah, they're abusing robots.txt now
Oct 04 18:08:22 <MinceR>	or rather, the domain is parked
Oct 04 18:08:30 <MinceR>	and they tend to do shit like this when parked
Oct 04 18:08:31 <gde33>	cubexyz: in the commodore 64 days people would know all the opcodes (even the undocumented ones) and many would know a large part of the rom (opperating system)
Oct 04 18:08:48 <cubexyz>	gde33, that's true
Oct 04 18:09:09 <cubexyz>	the roms were small enough and relatively easy to understand
Oct 04 18:09:22 <gde33>	it goes back further, today ##programming knows next to nothing about ##electronics
Oct 04 18:09:49 <schestowitz>	cubexyz: 	"that reminds me, do we really need a #boycottnovell still?"
Oct 04 18:09:51 <schestowitz>	won't hurt
Oct 04 18:10:03 <gde33>	the abstractions have less to do with how things work under the hood but cate to the way humans view stuff
Oct 04 18:10:32 <gde33>	cater
Oct 04 18:10:49 <cubexyz>	ok, you might remember I talked about BIOS startup sequence which was send out the serial port on bootup
Oct 04 18:11:06 <cubexyz>	PDP-11s had the SLU or Serial Line Unit that did the same thing
Oct 04 18:11:23 <MinceR>	schestowitz: i think it was this: https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0435/95/1408121072612.png
Oct 04 18:11:23 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://i.warosu.org/data/g/img/0435/95/1408121072612.png )
Oct 04 18:11:28 <gde33>	haha, I guess it's like vegitables are more tasty when combined with less tasty foods https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/02/1348247&from=rss
Oct 04 18:11:29 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/02/1348247&from=rss )
Oct 04 18:12:14 <cubexyz>	I felt I had a much better understand of the c64 than a modern PC, even though I've studied the modern PC a lot longer
Oct 04 18:12:26 <cubexyz>	s/understand/understanding/
Oct 04 18:12:52 <cubexyz>	but it had terrible IO :)
Oct 04 18:13:21 <TweetTuxMachines>	@tuxmachines     Linux 4.3-rc4 http://t.co/foV3V2mkEV
Oct 04 18:13:22 <TweetTuxMachines>	                 (www.tuxmachines.org)
Oct 04 18:13:22 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 4.3-rc4 | Tux Machines
Oct 04 18:13:22 <TweetTuxMachines>	........................................  http://ur1.ca/nwyid
Oct 04 18:13:26 <schestowitz>	MinceR: ah, I know this one
Oct 04 18:13:28 <TweetTuxMachines>	@tuxmachines     How Debian managed the systemd transition
Oct 04 18:13:29 <TweetTuxMachines>	                  https://t.co/0EJVOaJDLq (lwn.net)
Oct 04 18:13:29 -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-	lwn.net | How Debian managed the systemd transition [LWN.net]
Oct 04 18:13:29 <TweetTuxMachines>	........................................  http://ur1.ca/nwyie
Oct 04 18:13:36 <cubexyz>	the old c64 BASIC ROM was what... 8K in size?
Oct 04 18:13:43 <schestowitz>	MinceR: the new Red Hat uniform
Oct 04 18:13:48 <MinceR>	:>
Oct 04 18:14:25 <cubexyz>	bah, systemd
Oct 04 18:15:13 <MinceR>	001128 < gde33> haha, I guess it's like vegitables are more tasty when combined with less tasty foods https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=15/10/02/1348247&from=rss
Oct 04 18:15:21 <MinceR>	or they could try preparing them properly
Oct 04 18:15:29 <MinceR>	use the right spices also
Oct 04 18:15:51 <schestowitz>	"XRevan86: how is the current russia different from the ussr?"
Oct 04 18:15:57 <schestowitz>	Microsoft vs New Microsoft
Oct 04 18:15:58 <gde33>	there is nothing wrong with how they taste until you try combine them with overly processed foods
Oct 04 18:16:04 <schestowitz>	The latter keeps saying it has changed
Oct 04 18:16:12 <schestowitz>	while doing exactly the same things as before
Oct 04 18:16:29 <cubexyz>	the 1980s computers should be studied
Oct 04 18:16:46 <schestowitz>	where? In  landfills?
Oct 04 18:16:52 <schestowitz>	Or in their original habitats?
Oct 04 18:16:53 <XRevan86>	"Old Russia" had no oligarhs
Oct 04 18:16:53 <cubexyz>	that's when the whole windows stuff started
Oct 04 18:17:01 <gde33>	yeah, good point
Oct 04 18:17:14 <gde33>	calculators at the time were madly sophisticated
Oct 04 18:17:25 <gde33>	where is the solar powered smart phone?
Oct 04 18:17:26 <schestowitz>	now there are PDAs
Oct 04 18:17:45 <gde33>	you get one of those tiny cells, that should be enough to power the pocket calculator of 2015
Oct 04 18:18:08 <msb_>	Vegetables are delicious when not overcooked.
Oct 04 18:18:12 <gde33>	I'm not sohpisticated enough but in theory you should be able to receave calls with a crystal radio not using any power
Oct 04 18:18:33 <gde33>	at least not while on standby
Oct 04 18:18:33 <cubexyz>	you can receive radio waves
Oct 04 18:18:42 <cubexyz>	it's very faint
Oct 04 18:18:58 <cubexyz>	we used to build crystal radios
Oct 04 18:19:32 <gde33>	I think the modern phone has to sort out tons of data not aimed for that client
Oct 04 18:19:54 <MinceR>	it has to deal with a lot of superfluous crap
Oct 04 18:20:09 <MinceR>	extra GUI bling, bloated applications and the "modern" web
Oct 04 18:20:16 <gde33>	each handset could negotiate a frequency with the local tower
Oct 04 18:20:25 <msb_>	With a long antenna, sensitive earphones, and a powerful AM station, a crystal set worked.
Oct 04 18:20:33 <MinceR>	they ran out of bandwidth for that long ago
Oct 04 18:20:52 <gde33>	msb_: all we need is to bridge the idle time without use of power
Oct 04 18:20:57 <cubexyz>	oh so it wouldn't work nowdays?
Oct 04 18:20:59 <MinceR>	solely frequency-division multiplexing, i mean
Oct 04 18:21:14 <gde33>	LIFI is the future
Oct 04 18:21:18 <gde33>	I always knew
Oct 04 18:21:29 -->	schestowitz_log_ (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights
Oct 04 18:21:32 <gde33>	microwaving people is a dumb idea, this was known from the start
Oct 04 18:21:36 -->	r_schestowitz (~roy@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #techrights
Oct 04 18:21:48 <gde33>	it is also slow compared to light
Oct 04 18:21:50 <MinceR>	the microwave portion of technophobia?
Oct 04 18:21:58 <r_schestowitz>	[23:17] <schestowitz> gde33: people now want a 'phone' they can watch pr0n on in the dark
Oct 04 18:22:00 <r_schestowitz>	[23:18] <schestowitz> they might also explain why phones are getting bigger again
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Oct 04 18:22:01 <r_schestowitz>	router just went funny, can someone paste from scroll/buffer
Oct 04 18:22:04 <MinceR>	people will make up ways in which light is evil
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Oct 04 18:22:38 <r_schestowitz>	<gde33> microwaving people is a dumb idea, this was known from the start
Oct 04 18:22:41 <gde33>	the microwaves are safe propaganda is just like the smoking propaganda
Oct 04 18:22:44 <r_schestowitz>	I avoided phones originally for this reasons
Oct 04 18:22:46 <gde33>	or like the DDT propaganda
Oct 04 18:22:48 <r_schestowitz>	later because of spying
Oct 04 18:22:58 <cubexyz>	I think xchat has a file for that... let me check
Oct 04 18:23:19 <r_schestowitz>	just the last few lines
Oct 04 18:23:22 <MinceR>	r_schestowitz: what's the last line you saw?
Oct 04 18:23:30 <r_schestowitz>	[23:17] <schestowitz> now there are PDAs
Oct 04 18:23:44 <MinceR>	gde33: how much power does a modern cell phone radio output?
Oct 04 18:23:48 <cubexyz>	http://www.maxhost.org/other/scrollback-now.txt
Oct 04 18:23:49 <r_schestowitz>	then the connection dropped in the whole house afaict
Oct 04 18:23:52 <cubexyz>	how's that?
Oct 04 18:24:09 <r_schestowitz>	fast
Oct 04 18:24:14 <MinceR>	r_schestowitz: is pastebin.ca ok?
Oct 04 18:25:02 <MinceR>	r_schestowitz: also, is one month expiry ok?
Oct 04 18:25:03 <r_schestowitz>	cubexyz: will make up for it in a fortnight when I grab logs from Canada