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T 1283581890 18<schestowitz>	Many people in the comments here link to us: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/09/03/177246/Anti-Google-Video-Runs-In-Times-Square?from=rss
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T 1283590869 18<schestowitz>	Mac Asay being defended by the folks now
T 1283590876 18<schestowitz>	And their wallpapers/looks too
T 1283590881 18<schestowitz>	"@alanbelltolc they should use your background picture in Twitter as wallpaper" http://twitter.com/alanbelltolc/statuses/22960974077
T 1283590882 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Twitter / Alan Bell: @schestowitz Hardy Heron w ... .::. Size~: 11.78 KB
T 1283591038 18<schestowitz>		http://identi.ca/conversation/48445768#notice-48840495 "heh, *Mac* Asay :-D"
T 1283591039 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 9.04 KB
T 1283591554 18<schestowitz>	"@homembit, read more on Gates Foundation's philanthroprofiteering"
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T 1283608419 18<schestowitz>	http://timothyblee.com/2010/08/30/liberalism-in-europe/
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T 1283610023 18<schestowitz>	Hi, twitter
T 1283610036 18<twitter>	hello
T 1283610054 18<schestowitz>	We're mostly in #techrights now, unless it's focused on Novell
T 1283610057 18<twitter>	I've been busy but have a little time for fun now
T 1283610062 18<twitter>	ah
T 1283610070 18<twitter>	I'll have to figure that out.
T 1283610074 18<schestowitz>	There's another oil rig blast
T 1283610083 18<twitter>	ahhhhh!
T 1283610103 18<twitter>	did you see Todd Bishop's speculation that Microsoft is out of Bing bribe money?
T 1283610114 18<schestowitz>	Ages ago?
T 1283610125 18<schestowitz>	They have a new one
T 1283610127 18<schestowitz>	Fake donation
T 1283610134 18<schestowitz>	One of those bribes you can't mock
T 1283610147 18<schestowitz>	Unless you "f* hate hungry children" or something
T 1283610162 18<twitter>	http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2010/09/aol_renews_google_search_deal_has_microsoft_finally_reached_its_limit.html
T 1283610164 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: AOL renews Google search deal: Has Microsoft hit spending limit? .::. Size~: 55.09 KB
T 1283610180 18<twitter>	got it from groklaw
T 1283610190 18<schestowitz>	AOL stuff I covered
T 1283610198 18<schestowitz>	Groklaw and Microsoft I read tomorrow
T 1283610202 18<twitter>	cool
T 1283610204 18<schestowitz>	Today I read some environment news
T 1283610215 18<twitter>	thanks
T 1283610241 18<twitter>	have you seen the Florida Oil Spill Law blog?  They do an excellent job of collecting stories.
T 1283610256 18<schestowitz>	Identi.ca has been ahum recently about the cynical 'foundation' thing
T 1283610275 18<schestowitz>	twitter: I haven't,no
T 1283610281 18<schestowitz>	How the economy in Florida?
T 1283610286 18<schestowitz>	It was a mess last I checked
T 1283610298 18<schestowitz>	Morgage bubble blew hard on them
T 1283610304 18<twitter>	http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/feed
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T 1283610312 18<twitter>	http://www.floridaoilspilllaw.com/
T 1283610313 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Florida Oil Spill Law .::. Size~: 124.46 KB
T 1283610329 18<schestowitz>	http://blog.crowdflower.com/2010/08/crowdsourcing-for-pakistan-flood-relief/
T 1283610331 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: The CrowdFlower Blog -   Crowdsourcing for Pakistan flood relief .::. Size~: 16.51 KB
T 1283610335 18<schestowitz>	That's the greater issue
T 1283610355 18<schestowitz>	But it's called "brown people", unless it's a kin people subs one of them with "terrorist"
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T 1283610389 18<schestowitz>	That's how Western media views it
T 1283610424 18<schestowitz>	The moment there's a cm of water in some condo in Florida you'll see the news SHOUTING
T 1283610440 18<schestowitz>	"the carpets!!"
T 1283610447 18<schestowitz>	Not "think about the children"
T 1283610493 18<schestowitz>	A lot in the West still don't understand cynicism elsewhere :-/
T 1283610611 18<twitter>	The same cynicism exists here.  I'm back on the US gulf coast now.  People here know all too well that the spill won't matter as much until it gets to the US East coast.  
T 1283610633 18<twitter>	No one cares about what they call the "Redneck Riviera"
T 1283610660 18<schestowitz>	"AOL renews Google search deal: Has Microsoft hit spending limit?"
T 1283610668 18<schestowitz>	What's that about?
T 1283610670 18<schestowitz>	Let's see..
T 1283610691 18<schestowitz>	"Microsoft also has its hands full with the Yahoo search and advertising integration, and its engineers may not have had the bandwidth to add AOL to their plates, as well, at this point."
T 1283610695 18<schestowitz>	Ah, I see the spin
T 1283610699 18<schestowitz>	"too busy" excuse
T 1283610700 18<twitter>	Todd says that Microsoft would have won the AOL deal if they had the money.
T 1283610716 18<schestowitz>	Of course *rolls eyes*
T 1283610722 18<twitter>	The point that is interesting is that Microsoft is out of money.
T 1283610730 18<schestowitz>	When Microsoft loses it's because it chooses to :-)
T 1283610747 18<schestowitz>	twitter: they blew half a billion on Verizon
T 1283610750 18<schestowitz>	It gave them nothing
T 1283610759 18<twitter>	right
T 1283610774 18<schestowitz>	[15:36] <twitter> The point that is interesting is that Microsoft is out of money.
T 1283610776 18<schestowitz>	Maybe Microsoft
T 1283610781 18<schestowitz>	Not its workers
T 1283610801 18<schestowitz>	Gates, Troll Allen, SweatyB (Ballmer)...
T 1283610834 18<schestowitz>	http://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/tocs-wednesday-devices-and-gad-1.html
T 1283610835 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: TOC's Wednesday devices, gadgets and ereaders update - O'Reilly Radar .::. Size~: 48.68 KB
T 1283610838 18<schestowitz>	All Linux
T 1283610839 18<schestowitz>	Game over
T 1283610843 18<schestowitz>	it's only a matter of time
T 1283610870 18<schestowitz>	This is the last desktop I'm buying
T 1283610904 18<schestowitz>	Heh. http://xkcd.com/787/
T 1283610905 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: xkcd: Orbiter .::. Size~: 7.32 KB
T 1283610926 18<twitter>	I agree, desktops will be limited to power users who have numbers to crunch.  The academic mini computer crowd of the 1970s.
T 1283610961 18<twitter>	Others will be happier with mobile computers and entertainment systems. 
T 1283610982 18<twitter>	It is those two areas where freedom must be guarded. 
T 1283611020 18<twitter>	I'm happy that Microsoft is running out of resources to harm software freedom. 
T 1283611063 18<twitter>	Gates, Allen and friends have moved on to other frauds and will increasingly see the futility of propping up Microsoft.
T 1283611112 18<twitter>	Microsoft's revenue, however, was once much greater than their own and they were able to do a lot of harm with it.
T 1283611140 18<twitter>	The rest of us are better off now that they are deprived of that resource.
T 1283611177 18<schestowitz>	brb
T 1283611180 18<schestowitz>	guest here
T 1283611181 18<twitter>	The other spin about the Microsoft loss of AOL is that no one cares about AOL.
T 1283611185 18<twitter>	have fun!
T 1283611200 18<twitter>	I'll check in later.
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T 1283618823 18<MinceR>	whoa, twitter was here
T 1283620430 18<schestowitz>	Now the Bang of Monkeys will accuse me of nymshifting or something
T 1283623429 18<schestowitz>	"FBI says 6 accused in forced labor of 400 Thai workers is largest human-trafficking case in US"
T 1283623454 18<schestowitz>	Doesn't "forced labor" need to be called slavery?
T 1283623471 18<schestowitz>	Or is slavery a banned word in the West, for PR reasons?
T 1283624242 18<schestowitz>	Heh. http://www.techworld.com.au/article/359469/microsoft_silverlight_capabilities_exceed_those_html5?fp=2&fpid=1&rid=1
T 1283624247 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft: Silverlight capabilities exceed those of HTML5 - application development, html5, Microsoft, Microsoft Silverlight - Techworld .::. Size~: 53.45 KB
T 1283624251 18<schestowitz>	Very rare to hard about SIlver Lie now
T 1283624566 18<schestowitz>	v
T 1283624568 18<schestowitz>	Skype leaves Linux/BSD further in the dark: http://www.pcworld.com/article/204653/6_Useful_WiFi_Tools_for_Windows.html?tk=rss_news
T 1283624569 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: 6 Useful Wi-Fi Tools for Windows - PCWorld .::. Size~: 70.25 KB
T 1283624612 18<MinceR>	i don't mind being left in the dark by skype
T 1283624636 18<schestowitz>	you got SIP?
T 1283624648 18<schestowitz>	Google Talk might harm Skype
T 1283624658 18<MinceR>	i can have SIP if i want it
T 1283624662 18<schestowitz>	Skype->FIACISCO Systems
T 1283624682 18<MinceR>	Fascisco Systems?
T 1283624691 18<schestowitz>	I bet you don't ever answer the phone
T 1283624696 18<MinceR>	i have GSM and UMTS but i rarely use them for voice :>
T 1283624696 18<schestowitz>	It's always humans calling you
T 1283624704 18<MinceR>	i'm rarely called
T 1283624709 18<schestowitz>	Good
T 1283624714 18<schestowitz>	Don't spread the numbers
T 1283624718 18<schestowitz>	You keep theirs
T 1283624733 18<schestowitz>	You can control when you talk/not
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T 1283627273 18<schestowitz>	> Subject: On the so-called "Consumer Watchdog"
T 1283627275 18<schestowitz>	> Hello
T 1283627276 18<schestowitz>	> I've came across your website as I
T 1283627278 18<schestowitz>	> was investigating the so-called "Consumer Watchdog", I always suspected
T 1283627279 18<schestowitz>	> that they were a crazed anti-Google club that was financed by Microsoft,
T 1283627281 18<schestowitz>	> but I see that you seem to suspect that they are an astroturfer outfit
T 1283627282 18<schestowitz>	> hired by MSFT.
T 1283627284 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627285 18<schestowitz>	> I was wondering about their latest stunt with the Times Square video
T 1283627287 18<schestowitz>	> running on a loop depicting Eric Schmidt as a child molester, and the
T 1283627288 18<schestowitz>	> words of CW chairman echoed by almost every online outfit, it's
T 1283627290 18<schestowitz>	> basically gone mainstream and it might hurt Google, so I
T 1283627291 18<schestowitz>	> was wondering how would someone go about proving the nature of this
T 1283627293 18<schestowitz>	> group to one of these publication (Wired for example) and get them to
T 1283627294 18<schestowitz>	> write about it?
T 1283627296 18<schestowitz>	> Also does this astroturfing campaign include Gawker media and all it's
T 1283627297 18<schestowitz>	> blogs? Fast-company? and the Huffington post? since they have
T 1283627299 18<schestowitz>	> been exhibiting a highly anti-Google sentiment.
T 1283627300 18<schestowitz>	Gawker have recently been promoting Microsoft's patent troll IV and rubbed some members of our community the wrong way. CW is very crass (calling Google "Criminals!") and trying to split the company. They need to be named and shamed like Zuck who wrote letters 'for dead people' in support of Microsoft, which hired him.
T 1283627837 18<schestowitz>	=======
T 1283627839 18<schestowitz>	> I'm back from an absolutely amazing OOcon 2010 in Budapest.   About 3/4
T 1283627840 18<schestowitz>	> dead.
T 1283627842 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627843 18<schestowitz>	> Microshit sent its people there to be the fly in the ointment, so taht
T 1283627845 18<schestowitz>	> the tweets and articles would be about them and not ODF or OOo.
T 1283627846 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627848 18<schestowitz>	> Novell people have something very wrong with them, most of them, I can
T 1283627849 18<schestowitz>	> say after meeting them. That I saw even before the 'softers showed up.
T 1283627851 18<schestowitz>	> Once they did, the Novell people flocked around them like highschool
T 1283627852 18<schestowitz>	> kids would crowd a sports star.
T 1283627854 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627855 18<schestowitz>	> Security theater and a thousand other problems popped up both going to
T 1283627857 18<schestowitz>	> and from the conference.
T 1283627858 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627860 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627861 18<schestowitz>	> IMPORTANT:
T 1283627863 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627865 18<schestowitz>	> There was some amazingly good news regarding interoperability ODF-using
T 1283627866 18<schestowitz>	> applications.
T 1283627867 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627869 18<schestowitz>	> a. There was ability for three different Open Source applications (OOo,
T 1283627870 18<schestowitz>	> KOffice, and FreOffice) to exchange word processing files (and IIRC
T 1283627872 18<schestowitz>	> spreadsheets)
T 1283627873 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627875 18<schestowitz>	> b.  There was the ability for applications to extract and use RDF
T 1283627876 18<schestowitz>	> metadata from ODF files created by other applications!!!!!!!!
T 1283627878 18<schestowitz>	> 
T 1283627879 18<schestowitz>	> c. The final session of the last day of the week had a real  break
T 1283627881 18<schestowitz>	> through in mobile support using a server to pre-process and deliver
T 1283627882 18<schestowitz>	> fragments of and ODF file for rendering on mobile devices.  That method
T 1283627884 18<schestowitz>	> and the researcher got praise but should have been done a day or two
T 1283627886 18<schestowitz>	> earlier so that the full impact could be discussed.  Among other things
T 1283627887 18<schestowitz>	> it means that the way is open for weak mobile devices and that anyone
T 1283627889 18<schestowitz>	> that wants to can work with ODF.
T 1283630091 18<schestowitz>	http://www.itbusinessedge.com/cm/blogs/bentley/why-hps-decision-to-oust-hurd-was-the-best-one/?cs=43013 wasn't the replacement intended to be named by now?
T 1283630093 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Why HP's Decision to Oust Hurd Was the Best One | Blogs | ITBusinessEdge.com .::. Size~: 77.32 KB
T 1283630304 18<schestowitz>	Andrew Orlowski serves anything that's malicious and controversial: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/31/iap_on_ipcc/
T 1283630305 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Report recommends UN climate panel shakeup • The Register .::. Size~: 26.58 KB
T 1283633278 18<schestowitz>	http://www.pcworld.com/article/204747/Meet_the_Galaxy_Tab.html?tk=rss_news
T 1283633287 18<schestowitz>	If only it were not Ballnux
T 1283633351 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Meet the Galaxy Tab - PCWorld .::. Size~: 77.34 KB
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T 1283641894 18<zoobab>	pong
T 1283641904 18<schestowitz>	Hey
T 1283641906 18<schestowitz>	What's up?
T 1283641918 18<zoobab>	at the WBMv31416
T 1283641941 18<schestowitz>	Conference??
T 1283642320 18<zoobab>	yes
T 1283642324 18<zoobab>	no
T 1283642328 18<zoobab>	wireless event
T 1283642365 18<zoobab>	http://battlemesh.org/BattleMeshV3.1416
T 1283642419 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: BattleMeshV3.1416 - Wireless Battle of the Mesh .::. Size~: 17.23 KB
T 1283642550 18<schestowitz>	Neat!
T 1283642559 18<schestowitz>	at midnight?
T 1283642567 18<schestowitz>	BTW..
T 1283642577 18<schestowitz>	Zuck has more company now
T 1283642582 18<schestowitz>	More groups like his
T 1283642978 18<zoobab>	?
T 1283642991 18<zoobab>	you mean ACT has more members?
T 1283643015 18<zoobab>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJzUWgPXr64
T 1283643026 18<zoobab>	SMEs ICT
T 1283643032 18<zoobab>	IPR
T 1283643113 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: YouTube- Jonathan Zuck .::. Size~: 92.38 KB
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T 1283671933 18<schestowitz>	This for a change is a donation that probably has no problem with it. http://tribune.com.pk/story/43105/bill-melinda-gates-foundation-donates-700000/
T 1283671936 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation donates $700,000  The Express Tribune .::. Size~: 39.64 KB
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T 1283680608 18<schestowitz>	I don't get it: http://www.slashgear.com/viewsonic-viewpad-android-tablet-dual-booting-androidmicrosoft-slate-tipped-for-ifa-2010-2398523/ why dual boot at all?
T 1283680609 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: ViewSonic ViewPad Android tablet & dual-booting Android/Microsoft slate tipped for IFA 2010 - SlashGear .::. Size~: 46.67 KB
T 1283680622 18<schestowitz>	app compatibility?
T 1283681320 18<oiaohm>	I guess windows 7?  schestowitz
T 1283681330 18<oiaohm>	It would be insane to duel boot anything else.
T 1283681338 18<oiaohm>	Of MS products
T 1283682392 18<schestowitz>	xp?
T 1283682394 18<schestowitz>	For devices?
T 1283682552 18<oiaohm>	There is a windows 7 embeded version just like XP had a embeded veersion.  schestowitz
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T 1283686238 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: http://whitehatfirm.com/news/microsoft-recruiting-test-engineers-to-develop-windows-8-embedded-systems/3639.html
T 1283686240 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft recruiting test engineers to develop Windows 8 Embedded systems  | White Hat News .::. Size~: 29.29 KB
T 1283686241 18<schestowitz>	8 :-)
T 1283686250 18<schestowitz>	Already Eight
T 1283686268 18<oiaohm>	Yes work on windows 8 has started
T 1283686548 18<oiaohm>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Windows  when 2 years pass its going to be interesting.
T 1283686552 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft Windows - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 231.79 KB
T 1283686558 18<oiaohm>	To see if MS cuts Vista dead before XP dies.
T 1283686681 18<schestowitz>	My pointer goes crazy sometimes with random clicks. Not just the keyboard. Is suspect my motherboard might be at fault
T 1283686686 18<schestowitz>	I tried restarting, no help
T 1283686709 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: yeah, they also discount Vista 7 now
T 1283686714 18<schestowitz>	Family Pack
T 1283686719 18<schestowitz>	Sales were too poor 
T 1283686732 18<schestowitz>	Just bundling worked, i.e. forced sales
T 1283686856 18<schestowitz>	http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/220055.asp
T 1283686858 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Dude ... Microsoft enlists 'double rainbow' guy for Windows Live ad .::. Size~: 72.49 KB
T 1283686862 18<schestowitz>	Pathetic
T 1283687242 18<oiaohm>	Free forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers.
T 1283687379 18<schestowitz>	Someone has suggested that I find out how many people use Linux in techrights...
T 1283687386 18<schestowitz>	[12:36] <someone> hey
T 1283687387 18<schestowitz>	[12:37] <schestowitz> What's up?
T 1283687389 18<schestowitz>	[12:37] <someone> I have a question, how do you track visitors on your website?
T 1283687390 18<schestowitz>	[12:38] <schestowitz> I don't
T 1283687392 18<schestowitz>	[12:38] <schestowitz> But Apache keeps logs for a week
T 1283687393 18<schestowitz>	[12:38] <schestowitz> In case we get DDOSed and stuff
T 1283687395 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <schestowitz> tail -n50 /var/log/httpd/boycottnovell.com-access_log
T 1283687396 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <someone> The reason I ask is that there is another way, usingle Google analytics
T 1283687398 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <someone> *using
T 1283687399 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <schestowitz> No way
T 1283687401 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <schestowitz> It's a virus
T 1283687402 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <someone> ?
T 1283687404 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <schestowitz> I block it
T 1283687405 18<schestowitz>	[12:39] <schestowitz> It's spyware
T 1283687407 18<schestowitz>	[12:40] <schestowitz> And a CPU hog
T 1283687408 18<schestowitz>	[12:40] <someone> well the other way is for me to create an image on a server I own, and use that as your way of tracking
T 1283687410 18<schestowitz>	[12:41] <someone> all you would need to do is link to it using a img tag (the image would only be 1x1 pixels in size)
T 1283687411 18<schestowitz>	[12:42] <someone> completely transparent, so no one can see it
T 1283687413 18<schestowitz>	[12:43] <someone> just an idea
T 1283687414 18<schestowitz>	[12:44] <schestowitz> But what for?
T 1283687416 18<schestowitz>	[12:44] <schestowitz> I don't check site statistics
T 1283687418 18<schestowitz>	[12:48] <someone> For articles like http://techrights.org/2010/07/09/w3schools-ups-linux/ where it would be good to have statistics from your own site.
T 1283687418 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Linux is Already Replacing Windows, Linux Skills Replace Microsoft Staff | Techrights .::. Size~: 101.39 KB
T 1283687419 18<schestowitz>	[12:49] <someone> also it allows you to see which articles are more popular and produce more articles about the same topic
T 1283687420 18<schestowitz>	[12:50] <schestowitz> it doesn't change what I write
T 1283687422 18<schestowitz>	[12:51] <schestowitz> Years ago I checked, but it's more of an ego problem. It doesn't actually improve much
T 1283687423 18<schestowitz>	
T 1283687425 18<schestowitz>	[12:51] <someone> only a suggestion
T 1283687426 18<schestowitz>	[12:53] <someone> anyway time to go now, bye
T 1283687428 18<schestowitz>	[12:52] <oiaohm> Free forced upgrades to charties helped MS numbers.
T 1283687429 18<schestowitz>	That's not the story Microsoft tells
T 1283687431 18<schestowitz>	It talks about "Selling like hot cakes"
T 1283687432 18<schestowitz>	As if boxes are sold over the shelf "x" times per second
T 1283687546 18<oiaohm>	Notice words selling.
T 1283687549 18<oiaohm>	Not activations.
T 1283687563 18<schestowitz>	Yeah
T 1283687566 18<schestowitz>	Or upgrades
T 1283687574 18<schestowitz>	Like Vista->VIsta7
T 1283687604 18<schestowitz>	Imagine Fedora saying it sold 2 million Fedora 'boxes'/items 1 week after releasde
T 1283687607 18<schestowitz>	*lease
T 1283687617 18<schestowitz>	Wow! 2 million MORE users
T 1283687629 18<schestowitz>	[of Fedora version Y]
T 1283687646 18<schestowitz>	The problem with Linux is, its people are too honest
T 1283687650 18<schestowitz>	No marketing (=liars)
T 1283687660 18<schestowitz>	We don't like deceiving people
T 1283687744 18<oiaohm>	We do have marketing in the Linux world.
T 1283687750 18<schestowitz>	http://www.networkworld.com/news/2010/082610-unpatched-vulnerabilities.html
T 1283687751 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Report: Sun, Microsoft and Mozilla leave the most vulnerabilities unpatched .::. Size~: 104.35 KB
T 1283687752 18<schestowitz>	http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9182818/Google_disputes_bug_patching_report?taxonomyId=85
T 1283687753 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Google disputes bug patching report - Computerworld .::. Size~: 81.15 KB
T 1283687763 18<schestowitz>	IBM then changed it to make Microsoft last place
T 1283687764 18<oiaohm>	But Linux support contracts are sold on trust.  schestowitz
T 1283687775 18<schestowitz>	yES
T 1283687777 18<schestowitz>	Yes
T 1283687786 18<schestowitz>	I'd rather stick to fats
T 1283687788 18<schestowitz>	I'd rather stick to facts
T 1283687795 18<schestowitz>	I think more people realise it
T 1283687800 18<oiaohm>	Now that was a good typo.
T 1283687802 18<schestowitz>	WIndows help files lies
T 1283687806 18<schestowitz>	They are marketing
T 1283687809 18<schestowitz>	Linux is frank
T 1283687819 18<schestowitz>	Help files will acknowledge the weaknesses
T 1283687827 18<schestowitz>	But at least they don't hide these
T 1283687829 18<schestowitz>	TODO
T 1283687832 18<schestowitz>	Forums
T 1283687841 18<schestowitz>	Bugzilla and the likes of it
T 1283687852 18<schestowitz>	Born for all to view and participate in
T 1283687863 18<schestowitz>	Didn't IE try to do a public bug tracker at some stage?
T 1283687868 18<schestowitz>	What ever came out of it?
T 1283687902 18<oiaohm>	Disappeared very quickly.
T 1283687915 18<oiaohm>	Mostly because patch rates were showing up as slow.
T 1283687919 18<schestowitz>	http://www.hardocp.com/news/2010/09/04/new_malware_spoofs_microsoft_security_essentials_webpage/
T 1283687921 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: [H]ard|OCP - New Malware Spoofs Microsoft Security Essentials Webpage .::. Size~: 12.62 KB
T 1283687938 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: got any proof of it?
T 1283687943 18<schestowitz>	I never heard of that
T 1283687953 18<schestowitz>	I learned to be more picky when rumours I pick
T 1283687966 18<schestowitz>	Or to see it in original context to verify
T 1283687974 18<oiaohm>	Other than the fact I used it.
T 1283687976 18<oiaohm>	Nothing.
T 1283687994 18<schestowitz>	I rarely take things at face value cause that's when techrights has a rare error
T 1283688003 18<oiaohm>	and I was insulted by them as well
T 1283688006 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: so anecdotal
T 1283688020 18<oiaohm>	I was told my bug was not a bug.
T 1283688030 18<schestowitz>	Microsoft responded to Techrights a while back
T 1283688032 18<oiaohm>	Because no coder should create a webpage like that.
T 1283688038 18<schestowitz>	Claims we published
T 1283688046 18<schestowitz>	It's funny how they dance around claims
T 1283688071 18<schestowitz>	But saying/making a statement like, "we remain committed to our {partner}... and ..."
T 1283688081 18<oiaohm>	I had created a heavy single javascript generated page producing many pages.
T 1283688082 18<schestowitz>	Otherwise they say they don't respond to rumours
T 1283688103 18<schestowitz>	MSIE is the standard
T 1283688105 18<schestowitz>	:-)
T 1283688111 18<oiaohm>	Found many MSIE memory errors
T 1283688115 18<schestowitz>	So if your page doesn't work, it needs to change :-)
T 1283688124 18<schestowitz>	*you* are the problem
T 1283688126 18<oiaohm>	Yep.
T 1283688129 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: not errors
T 1283688131 18<schestowitz>	Features
T 1283688136 18<schestowitz>	Design choices :)
T 1283688141 18<oiaohm>	Yep
T 1283688164 18<oiaohm>	I really don't know how having MSIE reboot the computer thinking this was Windows 9x time frame.
T 1283688176 18<oiaohm>	Could be a feature
T 1283688193 18<oiaohm>	Lets just say I had found some mother bugs.
T 1283688208 18<oiaohm>	Since then I have never trusted MS to patch anything.
T 1283688263 18<schestowitz>	They fail at it
T 1283688267 18<schestowitz>	But not propaganda about it
T 1283688276 18<schestowitz>	Like how "good" they are at patching
T 1283688280 18<oiaohm>	Note that tells you how long ago they attempted the public bug tracker.
T 1283688291 18<oiaohm>	Its over 13 years ago
T 1283688304 18<schestowitz>	Which comparatively they are not
T 1283688306 18<oiaohm>	To the point MS would want to believe they never did.
T 1283688322 18<schestowitz>	Under the rug now
T 1283688331 18<schestowitz>	I wondered why I lapsed in memory
T 1283688350 18<schestowitz>	THose things that make you go, "oh! what ever happened with that?"
T 1283688361 18<schestowitz>	Like a product which vanished (linux-based console I mentioned earlier)
T 1283688365 18<schestowitz>	Or a one-hit band
T 1283688377 18<schestowitz>	Which vanished from pop culture within weeks never to be thought of again
T 1283688396 18<oiaohm>	evo smart console made a fatal mistake.
T 1283688396 18<schestowitz>	More singer/bands are like this
T 1283688402 18<schestowitz>	EVO
T 1283688405 18<schestowitz>	Yes, that's the one
T 1283688406 18<oiaohm>	They made a windows version.
T 1283688409 18<schestowitz>	I forgot the name even
T 1283688417 18<oiaohm>	So putting them in the PC market
T 1283688420 18<oiaohm>	So dead.
T 1283688433 18<schestowitz>	http://www.reuters.com/article/idUS100619721220100827
T 1283688435 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft boosts access to secure development guidelines| Reuters .::. Size~: 47.18 KB
T 1283688453 18<oiaohm>	Really should read
T 1283688460 18<oiaohm>	 /watch those.
T 1283688467 18<oiaohm>	And see if I can pick holes in them for you schestowitz
T 1283688523 18<schestowitz>	EVO was too obscure to get into shops
T 1283688536 18<schestowitz>	Shame... I spent a lot of time posting clippings about them
T 1283688538 18<oiaohm>	Really EVO had a chance.
T 1283688552 18<oiaohm>	They were a full blown game development firm.
T 1283688553 18<schestowitz>	http://www.softsailor.com/how-to/38488-how-to-uninstall-remove-the-fake-microsoft-security-essentials-alert-trojan-virus-removal-guide.html
T 1283688561 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: How To Uninstall / Remove The Fake Microsoft Security Essentials Alert Trojan Virus ( Removal Guide )  SoftSailor .::. Size~: 42.57 KB
T 1283688566 18<schestowitz>	oiaohm: games?
T 1283688570 18<schestowitz>	Not console?
T 1283688585 18<schestowitz>	Subsidies was another issue
T 1283688591 18<schestowitz>	Paying for whole box initially
T 1283688605 18<schestowitz>	Pandora should be OK
T 1283688614 18<schestowitz>	Old games
T 1283688617 18<schestowitz>	Aplenty
T 1283688733 18<oiaohm>	http://www.envizionscorp.com/about.html  There current mainline product.  schestowitz
T 1283688734 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Envizions .::. Size~: 11.69 KB
T 1283688830 18<oiaohm>	Basically they have gone steam model.  schestowitz
T 1283690392 18<schestowitz>	I c
T 1283690551 18<schestowitz>	Office cannibalism: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-adds-new-printing-charting-features-to-office-web-apps/7208
T 1283690553 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft adds new printing, charting features to Office Web Apps | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 103.04 KB
T 1283691296 18<oiaohm>	More like attempt to presure google docs and other web based.
T 1283691832 18<schestowitz>	Cause people go for zero entry cost
T 1283692440 18<oiaohm>	Remember if they break compadiblity after the fact.
T 1283693560 18<schestowitz>	They have to
T 1283693566 18<schestowitz>	Compel to upgrade
T 1283693576 18<schestowitz>	But web-based is based on subs model
T 1283693744 18<oiaohm>	A model to attack openoffice and google docs
T 1283693753 18<oiaohm>	That they can remove or harm at a later date schestowitz
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T 1283694664 18<schestowitz>	Yes, OOo too
T 1283694670 18<schestowitz>	OOo can't go Web-basede
T 1283694675 18<schestowitz>	FOSS in general
T 1283694680 18<schestowitz>	OpenGoo _maybe_
T 1283694690 18<schestowitz>	But FOSS and Fog Computing are hardly compatible
T 1283694699 18<schestowitz>	Which is why the FSF is scared of SaaS too
T 1283695054 18<oiaohm>	AGPL
T 1283695069 18<oiaohm>	Is used by some SaaS
T 1283695099 18<oiaohm>	And don't be too sure that OOo cannot go Web
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T 1283701755 18<schestowitz>	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/24/kim_cameron_on_apple_privacy_policy/
T 1283701758 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Microsoft ID guru slams 'duplicitous' Apple • The Register .::. Size~: 25.38 KB
T 1283704800 31<cubevector>30	duplicitous Microsoft slams duplicitous Apple
T 1283704849 31<cubevector>30	which one do you trust the least? :)
T 1283705042 18<schestowitz>	Hehe
T 1283705058 18<schestowitz>	I hate the AAPL vs MSFT articles
T 1283705062 18<schestowitz>	I mostly ignore them
T 1283705077 18<schestowitz>	It's the fake debate
T 1283705083 18<schestowitz>	Proprietary vs proprietary
T 1283705220 18<schestowitz>	https://www.trefis.com/company?article=21833
T 1283705222 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Vanishing Subscribers Hurt AOLs Search Business -- Trefis .::. Size~: 24.36 KB
T 1283705248 31<cubevector>30	it makes going to the computer store a bad experience 
T 1283705274 31<cubevector>30	unless you have some local independent person who can sell you used or blank computers
T 1283705302 31<cubevector>30	I'm fortunate, I have such an outlet and he even promotes Linux (to a degree)
T 1283705352 31<cubevector>30	people running older computers see them as worthless, but with Linux they're still useful
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T 1283705601 18<schestowitz>	I have some computers I could give you
T 1283705607 18<schestowitz>	No idea how to use them
T 1283705621 31<cubevector>30	like what?
T 1283705625 18<schestowitz>	I gave one to a friend's wife's brother last month
T 1283705635 21<schestowitz>21	cubevector: 2ghz+ range
T 1283705639 18<schestowitz>	2005ish
T 1283705646 31<cubevector>30	too new for me :)
T 1283705665 31<cubevector>30	Sparc is my next project
T 1283705694 31<cubevector>30	how hot does 2ghz cpu get?
T 1283705739 18<schestowitz>	Depends how closely you look
T 1283705748 18<schestowitz>	Heat is atoms banging together
T 1283705770 31<cubevector>30	i found out yesterday that Iyonix was Intel too
T 1283705772 18<schestowitz>	At the level of transistors there's lots of electron activity
T 1283705778 31<cubevector>30	yes
T 1283705793 18<schestowitz>	Temperaure is a rather localised thing, at macro level of groups
T 1283705803 31<cubevector>30	trying to get out of Intel-land 
T 1283705819 18<schestowitz>	Big processors can spread the heat
T 1283705820 31<cubevector>30	actually trying to get out of x86-land
T 1283705832 18<schestowitz>	Ventilation helps too
T 1283705847 31<cubevector>30	yes, but the trend is greater and greater integration
T 1283705851 18<schestowitz>	GPUs are where heat comes in volume
T 1283705856 18<schestowitz>	Like nvidia cards
T 1283705861 31<cubevector>30	yes, very much so
T 1283705874 31<cubevector>30	that's why I'm running mostly ATI boxes
T 1283705914 31<cubevector>30	zaurus was excellent had low wattage computing
T 1283705928 31<cubevector>30	but it's StrongARM, Intel again!
T 1283705998 31<cubevector>30	some other Linux guys told me about microVAX
T 1283706017 31<cubevector>30	probably will go Sparc though
T 1283706086 31<cubevector>30	basically I try to use the oldest computer I can that can do the job I'm doing
T 1283706567 18<schestowitz>	http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-20015045-92.html
T 1283706570 18<schestowitz>	Hmmm..
T 1283706570 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: HP gets OK to buy back $10 billion of stock | Business Tech - CNET News .::. Size~: 86.77 KB
T 1283708668 18<schestowitz>	" After closer reading, headline appears incorrect: Of those who are buying Red Hat, more do so to replace Windows than Unix" 	http://identi.ca/conversation/48603754#notice-49022194
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T 1283750137 18<Diablo-D3>	you cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics; you cannae change the laws of physics, laws of physics, Jim!
T 1283752051 18<MinceR>	:>
T 1283752123 18<MinceR>	We come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, shoot to kill; we come in peace, shoot to kill, shoot to kill, men.
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T 1283753406 18<Diablo-D3>	ahh, the classics never die.
T 1283753414 18<Diablo-D3>	no matter how many times we stab them, anyways
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T 1283772134 18<schestowitz>	Diablo-D3: http://www.nytimes.com/external/gigaom/2010/09/02/02gigaom-4chan-decides-to-do-something-nice-for-a-change-83153.html
T 1283772135 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: 4chan Decides to Do Something Nice For a Change - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 57.65 KB
T 1283772146 18<Diablo-D3>	yeah saw it
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T 1283775137 18<MinceR>	attacking the clams wasn't nice?
T 1283775242 18<MinceR>	or the attack on gootube wasn't nice?
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T 1283789448 18<schestowitz>	This is like the final scene of 1984. He's bailing out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rOCwEZnkEUs
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T 1283806095 18<schestowitz>	http://www.collegescholarships.org/research/student-loan-scheme.jpg
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T 1283806428 18<MinceR>	that's brutal
T 1283806622 18<schestowitz>	Very much so in the UK
T 1283806636 18<schestowitz>	Like 70 graduates on average competing for one job
T 1283807298 18<schestowitz>	Heh. Turns out we're referenced here: http://www.innovation.ukzn.ac.za/InnovationPdfs/No36%20Hoy%20and%20Koopman.pdf
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T 1283807381 18<MinceR>	:)
T 1283807497 18<schestowitz>	http://scholar.google.com/scholar?sourceid=mozclient&num=50&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&q=schestowitz
T 1283807498 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: schestowitz - Google Scholar .::. Size~: 84.32 KB
T 1283807522 18<schestowitz>	I never read those papers... more results than I had expected
T 1283812902 18<schestowitz>	http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzqNkIkj3rE
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T 1283815980 18<schestowitz>	"Digg isn't about to shut its doors, but I do get the feeling that regular, loyal Diggers are looking to take their custom elsewhere. Judging by the 'Reddit incident' on Monday, where Digg users revolted in favor of Reddit, it looks like a mass exodus might already have begun."
T 1283816000 18<schestowitz>	http://www.downloadsquad.com/2010/09/02/5-great-content-discovery-sites-digg-alternatives/
T 1283816000 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: 5 great content discovery sites which aren't Digg .::. Size~: 89.7 KB
T 1283816012 18<schestowitz>	Rebooting Digg would harm Apple
T 1283816016 18<schestowitz>	Probably good for F/LOSS
T 1283816437 18<schestowitz>	I have a triplet of patent posts coming, if I can stay awake..
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T 1283822517 18<squarepeg>	schestowitz: how did you become such a disagreeable fellow?
T 1283822528 18<squarepeg>	(that's intended as a compliment)
T 1283822601 18<schestowitz>	I'm trolled for that
T 1283822633 18<schestowitz>	But actually, there's less disagreement over time
T 1283822641 18<schestowitz>	We get along with more people
T 1283822666 18<squarepeg>	over time, yes
T 1283822748 18<squarepeg>	You know what I call the mainstream society which goes along with the latest stupid idea - I call it "chickensh*t society". 
T 1283822769 18<schestowitz>	Michael Moore got a lot of support
T 1283822777 18<schestowitz>	Wikileaks has the minions go after it
T 1283822786 18<schestowitz>	Inciting the public against it, esp. now
T 1283822821 18<squarepeg>	The biggest thing they all  agreed on recently  as to invade Iraq.
T 1283822885 18<squarepeg>	I put up a strong rhetorical defense for Julian Assange. 
T 1283822914 18<squarepeg>	The rape charge is absolutely contrived crap
T 1283822926 18<schestowitz>	The press attacks him, still
T 1283822933 18<schestowitz>	This week it's NewsWeek
T 1283822957 18<squarepeg>	lemme check it out
T 1283823018 18<squarepeg>	It's just extremely frustrating
T 1283823057 18<squarepeg>	luckily for him it's only a rape charge from a woman with no credibility
T 1283823071 18<squarepeg>	based on the weird laws of sweden
T 1283823073 18<schestowitz>	See Time propaganda  in action: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnZhNgtauV0
T 1283823075 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: YouTube- The Love Police - Kill Babies .::. Size~: 125.44 KB
T 1283823195 18<squarepeg>	The chick who accused him is hilarious
T 1283823221 18<squarepeg>	she wrote a seven step tutorial for destroying a man with lies about sex
T 1283823232 18<squarepeg>	about specifically lying about sex to destroy a man
T 1283823306 18<schestowitz>	He should have known better
T 1283823309 18<squarepeg>	I'd f--- her. Even if she chooses to try to destroy a man, she has no credibility.
T 1283823313 18<squarepeg>	who cares anyway?
T 1283823315 18<schestowitz>	Target for assassination... character assassination to
T 1283823320 18<schestowitz>	*too
T 1283823323 18<squarepeg>	Her word means nothing.
T 1283823328 18<schestowitz>	He saw blondes and couldn't help it
T 1283823334 18<squarepeg>	she looks good
T 1283823349 18<schestowitz>	Maybe Julian wants to look like her
T 1283823350 18<squarepeg>	and she looks angrily horny.
T 1283823356 18<schestowitz>	Keeps bleaching his long hair
T 1283823365 18<schestowitz>	squarepeg: got a picture?
T 1283823366 18<squarepeg>	hadn't kept tabs on his hair
T 1283823368 18<squarepeg>	yeah
T 1283823370 18<schestowitz>	I saw a blurred one
T 1283823377 18<squarepeg>	but my internet is slow
T 1283823382 18<squarepeg>	ann something
T 1283823434 18<squarepeg>	she's a really angry swedish lesbian who is dead set on being an avenging angel of testicle twisting
T 1283823440 18<squarepeg>	sexy looking
T 1283823657 18<squarepeg>	http://rixstep.com/1/20100823,00.shtml
T 1283823658 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Julian Assange & Anna Ardin &mdash; Industry Watch .::. Size~: 4.54 KB
T 1283823662 18<squarepeg>	check her out...
T 1283823696 18<schestowitz>	I was expecting better
T 1283823706 18<squarepeg>	well... she looks good enough
T 1283823713 18<squarepeg>	but look how cold she looks
T 1283823721 18<squarepeg>	also imagine she speaks swedish
T 1283823727 18<schestowitz>	Depends on photo
T 1283823742 18<squarepeg>	scandinavian exotic counts for something
T 1283823760 18<squarepeg>	well, then read her seven steps for legal revenge
T 1283823766 18<squarepeg>	(not really legal)
T 1283823776 18<squarepeg>	http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/08/strangest-blog-thread-yet-on-swedish.html
T 1283823777 18<TechrightsBot>	Title: Progressive Alaska: The Strangest Blog Thread Yet on the Swedish Charges, uh - Not Charges - Against Julian Assange .::. Size~: 93.48 KB
T 1283823820 18<squarepeg>	Anyway, I wouldn't be afraid of her, so long as she came to my place rather than the other way around.
T 1283823873 18<schestowitz>	gn
T 1283823875 18<squarepeg>	Actually, I'd need to make sure she wasn't recording me, and I'd have to keep the conversation very bland. You know people love to record each other and then re-master the conversation later.
T 1283823913 18<squarepeg>	later schestowitz 
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T 1283855633 18<schestowitz>		http://identi.ca/notice/49287205 "Not sure whether the Belgian Ministry of Justice is such a good example.  IT is a mess over there. http://ur1.ca/1jdys"
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T 1283879430 18<schestowitz>	http://identi.ca/notice/49315054 "wait wait the android tablets are comming out THIS WEEK??"
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T 1283879448 18<schestowitz>	Many were introduced last week
T 1283879605 18<schestowitz>	Despite the correction some people ignore it http://twitter.com/cdaffara/statuses/23219462998 "Despite of what claimed by TechRights, #Mono development has not halted - just switched to Git. See here: http://github.com/mono" 
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